RottenToTheCore wrote:Agree. What better argument could be there?
The problem with that is maps would be added every time someone proposed them, and the map list would go through the roof unless some were deleted, but then which ones?
And Cat: I like Pegs considerations and constructive criticism. But when i criticize coke drinking @ mcdonalds, because of the health aspects and the fat kids, and then take out coke of the product list, do you think that sb. will visit this mcdonalds store anymore?
What you are proposing is that you and Gamma wish to introduce a some new drinks at McDonalds. Labor and Peg acting as Mr and Mrs McDonald :sick: , require a reasoned argument as to why they should replace current drinks. From their point of view simply removing drinks or adding new ones on a trial and error basis doesn't make economic sense.
You can't just point out rational playability arguments when it's a question about an action game with people who come there for relaxing and fun (perhaps some people think a lot about it, but thats the minority).
I agree, but fun is subjective. There's no other way for maps to be judged other then on a rational basis. It's neutral.
I don't want to say that the people will leave ceonss when we take out all NV maps, but they won't leave either when we put some more in :skip: .
When the server was split in two it almost killed both.
It's just a "you can't anticipate" thing imo. The popularity can only be reliably measured by the played-count.
Again I agree. The fact that CEONSS is still here when others have died is testament to that.
No by considerations of two or three people.
Not that this matters but just to make something clear to avoid any potential confusion. I personally have no say or involvement in the map roster. Neither of the two maps which I have proposed over the years got in. :greengrin: So I know exactly where you are coming from, but their process clearly works, CEONSS is still here.
(What does not mean this should keep them from adding/deleting whatever they want, as it's not my but their server)
http://ceonss.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=224
The boss even holds himself to this.
Another example: I have often been in bars where terrible music was played, that pleased nobody there, and people were complaining about the repetitive and mainstream music choice. But it was so "well chosen", by points of "chart" success (of the particular subculture), catchyness and simplicity, that no argument could help to get rid of these songs or the dj. I - of course - don't want to get rid of you
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Having worked in pubs I can be accused of that. Turns out office workers at 1 in the afternoon don't like heavy mental blaring out at them while they have a cup of tea and a sandwich. Odd people.
Anyway that analogy doesn't quite work. "Fun" in this case would be equal to "chart success". What they are trying to a achieve is a playlist which has a little something for everyone without obvious flaws i.e. death metal at a nursery school.
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I grew up in a deeply left wing socialist household. Naturally I adopted this point of view without thought until my mid twenties when I began to realise that trying to satisfy everyones demands leads to a downward spiral to the detriment of everyone involved. A much better framework is to provide the maximum amount of good for the largest number of people of the longest amount of time.
It appears to me that the map roster follows this ideology. So any debate over whether fun should be given president over the criteria outlined by Peg and Labor is a non-starter. If Gamma, you or I wish to have a new map introduced we need to make that argument based on that criteria.
All the best Rotten.
) came out. We (ons) only have a small player base and one of the reasons why CEONSS has remained popular is because of the tried and tested formula that Labor and Peg have developed and outlined here.
. And i never proposed to replace, i proposed to add!
but have to admit that its pretty huge