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[7homasito]

Yes I could do that (it actually works on a mac as well, yay ^^) but without rypelcam (which will show where the guys really were and what the play saw and why he already aimed at guys "through the wall") it's hard to make it obvious, I will try anyway and if I die trying.

By the way the guy obviously follows our forum and I know that he also sent you a PN - just now when he's facing a ban! It's pretty hilarious that he all of the sudden comes forward after all those days without saying anything, linking letters on the wall to communicate. What's the point of that and what's the point of having no nick when obviously hiding something.

I sure DO NOT make this all up, his actions were suspicious to some others today as well. I like competition and better players than me (and there are plenty!) with the exception of the ones using unfair auxiliry devices - and he is one of them and it sucks that it's so hard to proof since he can also fool antiTCC.

[borgqueenx]

Yes I could do that (it actually works on a mac as well, yay ^^) but without rypelcam (which will show where the guys really were and what the play saw and why he already aimed at guys "through the wall") it's hard to make it obvious, I will try anyway and if I die trying.

By the way the guy obviously follows our forum and I know that he also sent you a PN - just now when he's facing a ban! It's pretty hilarious that he all of the sudden comes forward after all those days without saying anything, linking letters on the wall to communicate. What's the point of that and what's the point of having no nick when obviously hiding something.

I sure DO NOT make this all up, his actions were suspicious to some others today as well. I like competition and better players than me (and there are plenty!) with the exception of the ones using unfair auxiliry devices - and he is one of them and it sucks that it's so hard to proof since he can also fool antiTCC.

players better then you? who

[laboRHEinz]

No, he did not PM me, he just talked to me while I was in spec, telling me it's a waste of time trying to find anything sinister on his side.

Just did a little bit of researching: First time he played on ceonss was on May 20th in 2010. Though he mainly played on Techcom at that time. So most of us including you played him for quite a while. He used a steady nick for several weeks and was on TC as successful as now on ceonss. There was no single ban appeal on TC and yours is the first one over here. Our AntiTCC-disallowed files list is quite up to date and there was no entry during the last 1.5 years, not even when I updated the list.

I'm sure his steady nick was a fake nick as well and that some of us know him from ancient UT times like on the TCP or T32-servers.

Still I'm not convinced one way or the other i.e. whether he's cheating or not.

[Player]

Time has come to post my warn appeal against 7/~.

I was really patient about his agressive behaviour but I cannot stand anymore. He keeps provoking and insulting me on chat however I never did anything against him. He lies to everyone (in every round) that I am a "fuckin hacker" without any proofs and wants to drive the others to kickvote me. Today after the map Maelstrom nobody thought so I am a cheater (except 7/~ of course) but after his statement I got 2 more kick votes at the begining of the next round.

First time he said that I am using aimbot but I am obviously not so he changed it for trigger. After that he told everyone I am using speedhack, later wallhack and other bullshits... everything that can come out from his sick mind. Now he is saying that I am using all of these cheats at the same time and I am such a brilliant hacker that nobody can recognise (even the AntiTCC or the server admins cannot) but of course he is the only one who knows the truth. (Cannot prove any of his statements.)

Imo this is all about that he used to dominate all players here and just cannot handle the situation when meets somebody who can beat him. It's sad because I see more and more ictf players who occasionally joining to the server and belive me there are some so good players (like Darkasjat or Lidshow for example), I am just a little newbie compare to them. So what will happen if they join to the server? They will be banned after a round because they can eat 7/~ for breakfast? Because I am sure 7/~ will complain about "supermegacheater" hackers after the first 5 minutes. Ridiculous.

All in all the facts are the followings:

There are no a single proof against me. (Because I did nothing against the rules)
He is the only one who thinks I am a cheater. For example Lizat spec.ed me on Bridge of Fate and he says did not see anything fishy. (That is the round when 7/~ became 100% sure I am using a "radar".)
He keeps insulting me on chat and trying to drive the other players to belive I am a hacker (just because he THINKS I am one) which is against the server rules. Check the log for proof.

So I want to ask an admin (probably laboRHEinz) for warn him: stop doing that and if he is not then I will change my warn appeals for ban.

One more thing: I have a good reason for using "Player" as a nick but after this I would like to ask laboRHEinz for keep my indentity in secret henceforward. Thank you forward.

[Cat1981England]

I know it's not really my place to get involved in such matters, but I'm gonna throw my two pence in anyway.

I've been an admin on several servers down the years in several games and more importantly on UT, and i have to admit there are occasions when your play is highly suspicious. It is of course impossible to provide conclusive evidence and it's very easy to mistake great game-awareness and experience for some sort of hack, wall hack or radar hack is after all the hardest to spot when the person using it is good at it. However there have been a few occasions when i agree with 7 and your play seems to go beyond that. You've killed me with a prefired shock combo on one or two occasions when I've crouched silently around a corner for example.

I've recorded several demos of you under assumed names and are yet to find anything to back those suspicions up, so it's a case of 'innocent until proven guilty' from a personal point of view. It would probably help the situation if you did use a single, original nickname though. I'm sure someone as experienced as yourself can understand the fact that people tend to raise an eyebrow whenever a player using a default name or similar plays so well. All the best people.

[7homasito]

PlayerX123456789 whatever your name is and those reasons you do not want to use any nick (it could be a fake one even!), get the facts straight damnit.

1) I certainly did not insult YOU but got angry because your use of a cheat. "Fucking cheater" is obviously not directed at you as person, but your usage of those lame-ass means. I'm sorry I'm not familiar with those multihack-thingies and had to google it to have even a clue what they're capable off, so I could't (and still can't) specify what exactly you're toggling on and off (why don't you tell us?), so my guess of what you'd be using altered over time, part of the reason of that is also because there is a good chance you don't use any hax on one map and then 2 or more on others, how would we know. Lately you defo miss alot so you probably didn't check the little box beneath "autoaim", which is clever since it would be detected easily. Bravo, sir, bravo. Second "smart" move after playing in disguise. Your mysterious reasons for that must be incredible. Oh wait, maybe it is cause your iCTF-"reputation" would suffer when they found out what you did here? Busted.
2) "you did nothing against me" is not quite right, you used artifcial means to your benefit. That's not nothing.
3) It's very hard to prove a wallhack without being able to use rypelcam or at least see YOUR hud. All I know is that no matter if I crouch and sneak up behind you or fake certain movements behind walls (where you just CANNOT see me) - you exactly know where I am (or all the other players as well, of course). And it's not like you just spam around corners anticipating there might be an enemy. You exactly know where the enemy is. And that's not because of sounds or anything.
4) A kickvote is still part of free speech here (within ethical and ethnical regulations), which is very important. I did not tell them to kickvote you and even said "you will see for yourself" in chat after being asked what you did. But of course you embezzled that detail. Well, I remember.
5) Dude, there are SO many people that own and dominate me, be it here or on iCTF and TAM-Servers, there are countless old TCP, T32 and ZipCity-guys and of course some freelancers. I know DarkAsiat (btw it's an i turned 180° in his name, not a j) and I play with Venetianares, Vega and some other division1 guys and I stand no chance at all. Did I call them cheaters? No. Did I think they would? No. Vice versa, it's fun to learn from them! Would I let him play here or any other guys I don't know? Hell yeah, who am I to judge! The more crowded the server, the better. The difference between them and you is that they have tons of experience, but play fair. You just do not and one day I'll have a hard proof.
6) I certainly am not the only one who thinks this way, I just have the guts to call you out. What is more, I'm a trustworthy person and don't lie about things, that's just fucked up. So don't make up anything - I just call it like I see it. And again - I am not the only one who saw those things.
And having LizatKing as your crown witness is very flawed, since he is really not the one who would spot those things (no offense Liz, you know how I mean that!)
Hell, I can't even spot that right away. And now you know you're being watched carefully you probably will not use that extensively, since you're obviously not dumb. You cheat, but you're smart - I'll give you that. Then again, it sure takes brains to deceive the up-to-date AntiTCC.

So, stop twisting around my statements for your own benefit and by the way, NO, I have no "sick brain" (thx for the attempted insult btw!), I got tested.

All in all - play fair or gtfo. You won't be missed.



EDIT: Taking some courses in psychology, it's funny how you say "there is no proof for me playing against the rules / cheating", yet what you should've said is "I DO NOT cheat". From an analytical viewpoint that's as good as a confession. Just like the murderer who says "You cannot prove I did it" to the cop after killing that poor old lady.

[laboRHEinz]

Alright, now we heard both sides plus Cats point of view. It's about time to come up with proofs now. Any further accusations, insults and suspicions won't give more evidence hence will be useless. I'll do some serverside demos soon which show every players actions. I'll try to share them although it'll be hard because they use to have a huge size – about 150megs each. But we could discuss the case together then. If Cat finds another dubious scene - so much the better.

Furthermore, we all hate a bad atmosphere on the server and I won't tolerate it any longer. Thus, if one of you both starts bitching with the other he'll get muted from tomorrow on - when I'm sure that you have read this.

One more thing: I have a good reason for using "Player" as a nick but after this I would like to ask laboRHEinz for keep my indentity in secret henceforward. Thank you forward.

Sorry, too late, I already told Thom the three nicks you used during the last 1.5 years here. But I assumed they were fake nicks so it shouldn't hurt too much. However I apologise. Sure, I'd keep your „true“ identity or „real“ nick a secret – if I knew it. And I herewith ask Thom to keep those 3 nicks a secret as well.

Slightly off topic, but still: I'd definitely prefer you using a different nick, not just „Player“. To a certain extent I understand when ppl play undercover and don't use their original nick. E.g. to keep off stalkers (and there ARE stalkers around) or to just play „without stress“ and un-bothered. But „Player“ is not unique and very confusing for other players, at least when there are several „Players“ at the same time. You simply want to know whom you face when in battle. It doesn't need to be your possibly well known original nick, but „Player“ is not really okay. Create a second identity here, stick to it and everyone will be ok with it.

[7homasito]

Read, understood. And nah I won't disclose his (fake) identity, although I don't quite get what it would matter... But there is a good reason I guess?

[Player]

I cannot wait the serverside demos and I would like to see Thom's face when he will realise I am not a cheater. However I know there is no proof which can change his mind but I do not care anymore.

"And I herewith ask Thom to keep those 3 nicks a secret as well." It is like telling a "secret" in a talkshow. But nevermind. It is not a sercet. I never understood what is the big deal about sy's identity. I left my nick because of the following:

There were 2 or 3 players on this server who could not stand and insulted me on chat in every round. Same thing that Mufo did to Thom on TC. I did not care about it because they were all noobs so I could kick their butt easly in the game. It became very annoying and displeasing after I could not take revenge on them because suddenly I got incredible lag on TC and Ceonss as well. First I left the game and did not play for several months but I missed the action so I returned however my connection was still awful. I could not take the mino anymore or use shock rifle but I realised I did not try a lots of things yet. Like using the defense towers or scorpons which thing are mostly for noobs and do not really help for the team to win. When I reinstalled the game I forgot to set up my nick and played a few round in disguise and it was fun. Nobody called me lamer if I wasted the mino or died easly in a shock battle. And of course I did not have to break down that liitle reputation what I got on TC before. That's it. That's the big deal.

Btw something change in the last couple of weeks. However most of the time I still have a sick lag (my ping is changing 3 times in a sec, or really high) but on some map I can play "normal" again if the server is not full.

I promise:

I will use my original nick (the first one ever).
I will never "bitching" with Thom again (probably never talk to him anymore).

[laboRHEinz]

Here is a first serverside demo (from yesterday): http://mbf.me/ik1fQ
The link will stay valid for the next ten days.