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during the last couple of days/weeks there is this guy named "Player" occasionally joining the server, doing exceptionally well and all. he got wicked sick on several NV-maps without camping, which is remarkable, and I got kinda suspicious today when his tank hit the same spot from several hundred yards over and over again, which isn't really the case normally, since the goliath misplaces at least 1 in 3 shots slightly.
using the "Whois" command in console his only aliases were "Player35", "Player19" and so on, which is odd, cause being so good he should have some real nick whatsoever, why else would he play in disguise all the time?

I don't have a ban appeal (yet) just want to say that I became really suspicious of his aim (especially after playing TAM on a regular basis and knowing what's possible and what not) so someone who likes to spec ppl (or is admin here) could spectate him by any chance when he/she happens to be around to confirm my worries or to say everything's ok....

thx, appreciate it!

greetz
thom

Hi Thom,
I already specced this player several times but couldn't see anything too fishy. Three direct hits in a row with a tank shell is strange, indeed. But as you know, you don't need direct hits with a tank to kill one. Anyway, I'll keep an eye on him.

Playing without a nick is odd, agreed. Actually, the nick filter is set up to prevent a "Player" nick. But it doesn't work. Gonna look into it.
Greetings, heinz

Erm, i spec Player 17 or 12 (what ever) the last matches today, and i think he didnt use a cheat. But in fact he has a good Skill, that remembers me on the Player "aGgRe$$1VE" he has the same Skill and is not banned here but im not sure if he is it. He plays for me conspicuously unconspicuously. Thats my think of it.

I don't talk about splash damage but long-distance direct node disc goliath hits, like 200 yards away and still spot on shot after shot.

btw I got the chance to spec him today and am 99% sure now he has radar (map: bridge, no matter if I dodged behind the pillars or just pretended to and went back, he knew where I was going 7 out of 7 times (!!!) and that's beyond anticipation and also beyond luck and since there were many other footsteps around him it couldnt be the sounds that made him know that.
trigger couldn't be confirmed, neither could I say he doesn't...but trigger are hard to spot anyways, you could spec him for hours and still wouldnt be sure since it's an entirely different thing than an aimbot.

another thing, speccing him on minus (lizat specced as well) there were direct hits through the fog, getting hit multiple times without taking damage (which can be the map's bugs tbh, but still).
after accusing him openly telling him to say something, he "wrote" with his linkgun on the wall, but neither I nor Lizat really got all letters, I made some screenshots but reviewing them just brought out a couple of H's and E's, at first I thought he'd spell "suck my dick" but there were some clear H-letters so that can't be it. doesn't matter what exact words they were, they were obvious mockings, laughing about the fact I don't find that funny and proving he does understand what we told him but wont stop. I mean good luck trying to reason with him, he obviously won't use the chat or choose a nick, but even if he would, there is still the radar thingy.

what's said about it is that he besides that seems to be an advanced player (he knows most of the maps by heart obviously) and still needs that artificial aid, he somehow managed to crack your anti-tcc, which is alarming.

so open your eyes for others to follow, since holes in the fence, when discovered once, will likely be used by others unless fixed.



oh, and ban appeal hereby requested, unless you want to find out how he does it (which I would want to know as well).



EDIT: aggressive got banned from techcom and several other servers, he hacked the server (you can ask foibos) as well as the techcom forum (!) after getting banned for using cheats. not even gametracker knows how he did that, he was (and I reckon still is) a very elaborate hacker and if it would be him that would explain many things (since agressive plays for several years and was really good until he reached a certain stage where he didnt improve, especially getting smashed in div-1-tournament matches, and eventually becoming a lunatic..... )

7homasito wrote:btw I got the chance to spec him today and am 99% sure now he has radar (map: bridge, no matter if I dodged behind the pillars or just pretended to and went back, he knew where I was going 7 out of 7 times (!!!) and that's beyond anticipation and also beyond luck and since there were many other footsteps around him it couldnt be the sounds that made him know that.
trigger couldn't be confirmed, neither could I say he doesn't...but trigger are hard to spot anyways, you could spec him for hours and still wouldnt be sure since it's an entirely different thing than an aimbot.

I again specced him yesterday on SpankJox: He missed more than he did hit. So we can exclude an aimbot, right? Of course, I don't tolerate any kind of cheating on the server. But at this point I'd need your help. I need to know how a radar works exactly (never used one ;-) ) and then compare it with his behaviour. Please point me to something where I can find out. Maybe a Youtube link or PM me an example of a radar hack. Then I could check it and whether it will be detected by the servers AntiTCC.

another thing, speccing him on minus (lizat specced as well) there were direct hits through the fog, getting hit multiple times without taking damage (which can be the map's bugs tbh, but still).
after accusing him openly telling him to say something, he "wrote" with his linkgun on the wall, but neither I nor Lizat really got all letters, I made some screenshots but reviewing them just brought out a couple of H's and E's, at first I thought he'd spell "suck my dick" but there were some clear H-letters so that can't be it. doesn't matter what exact words they were, they were obvious mockings, laughing about the fact I don't find that funny and proving he does understand what we told him but wont stop.

Hmm, that's speculation to me.

I mean good luck trying to reason with him, he obviously won't use the chat or choose a nick, but even if he would, there is still the radar thingy.

what's said about it is that he besides that seems to be an advanced player (he knows most of the maps by heart obviously) and still needs that artificial aid, he somehow managed to crack your anti-tcc, which is alarming. so open your eyes for others to follow, since holes in the fence, when discovered once, will likely be used by others unless fixed.

The servers AntiTCC disallowed files list is not outdated, it's from July this year. I doubt that there are still many hacks being developed for UT2k4. Though agreed, AntiTCC can't detect 100% of the available hacks. It's not AntiTCCs fault but I won't post details publically ;-)

oh, and ban appeal hereby requested, unless you want to find out how he does it (which I would want to know as well).

Until we don't have at least some kind of proof "in dubio pro reo" stands.

EDIT: aggressive got banned from techcom and several other servers, he hacked the server (you can ask foibos) as well as the techcom forum (!) after getting banned for using cheats. not even gametracker knows how he did that, he was (and I reckon still is) a very elaborate hacker and if it would be him that would explain many things (since agressive plays for several years and was really good until he reached a certain stage where he didnt improve, especially getting smashed in div-1-tournament matches, and eventually becoming a lunatic..... )

We don't know whether it's Aggressive. Let's stick at this individual player no matter if it's him or not. I remember the mess with aggressive. AFAIK he spammed their forum, but that's not a gaming cheat.

All in all, there's no kind of proof yet. I can't ban him with this. But of course I will as soon as there are obvious hints. E.g. give me a demo and explain where you exactly see hints to a radar and he'll be out in no time.

laboRHEinz wrote:I again specced him yesterday on SpankJox: He missed more than he did hit. So we can exclude an aimbot, right? Of course, I don't tolerate any kind of cheating on the server. But at this point I'd need your help. I need to know how a radar works exactly (never used one ;-) ) and then compare it with his behaviour. Please point me to something where I can find out. Maybe a Youtube link or PM me an example of a radar hack. Then I could check it and whether it will be detected by the servers AntiTCC.

A radar hax will show you the enemy and sometimes teammates on your screen regardless of anything being in the way (walls, fog etc). Some will show you a simple name and a small square, others show a full silhouette of the other player. This is an example from Counter Strike. As you can see the player using the hax can see three blue players and two red player that are behind the door when s/he should only be able to see the red player (centre left).



Some haxs are impossible to detect as people modify their video cards drivers or settings so their computer won't render a certain part of the game. A weird, hypothetical example of this would be if you could stop your computer from redering the fog in UT2004, you would be able to see much further then other players on maps with lots of fog.

thx for that Cat, here is a video so you can see how a radar/wallhack (and other things) work in UT and how easy it is to turn on/off certain things of a multihack at any given time, so he can play entirely without cheats, or activate some helpers or all of them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27r24GpjBPM
there is also a download-link?!?! I myself didn't know it was THAT easy to get sth.

I will try to make that demo, though I'm sure he will be very careful since he can see what players are in spec-mode, so maybe I, too, come in disguise, spec him and try to record what I mean.

ah I see, so a radar is just another word for a wall hack. This I know. Well, at least a wall hack in ONS is not as helpful as an aimbot. But still not tolerable ofc. Agreed, pretty hard to spot, not speaking of proving it. We'd need an online screenshot of the players HUD. There's somewhere a tool/mod for servers to take a screenie of players HUDs. I think it was called x-ray. Have to check whether I can put it on or not. Or maybe Wormbo could help us out? Here's hoping he's still following up this board :-D

he (Player) did it again today, same map (bridge), also the map before (tyrant). knew when guys where coming from the back and dodged when bioblob or rocket or anything else that's not hitscan was fired at his back (which you just can't see); hit unusually often with shock and lg (at bridge just in the end, not in the beginning! aim-growth about 400% I'd say, which just doesnt happen in minutes) and just knew where guys were without seeing them, I'm 100% sure by now.
the map after (magicisle) he started out the same, did "exceptionally" well again, for example started to build the side node then suddenly got in his flyer and up and away without anyone shooting him just seconds before an enemy sneaked up from his back! no way he could anticipate that, there was no indication.
at some point he realized he was being watched (since I made an open comment as a speccer to have other ppl see this shit theirselves) and basically he did nothing from that point on - except driving with the mino all the way to the top of enemy base and respawn killing guys all over there.

I'm getting annoyed by this turning on/off multihack and altering in skill from supernoob to godlike in seconds. I can't be the only one that recognizes this!
It's very hard to prove those things since it's not an aimbot, I wish I had windows - so I could record the match and use rypelcam to make things clearer....
oh AXIMON if you read this, you would be of great help for this!
all this no nick at all, no talk, it just doesn't add up. every regular player in every gamemode has at least one nick afaik.
having none can only mean you have to hide something.

Again I strongly petition for his ban. thank you.

you should be able to record a demo even on your Mac:
http://forums.beyondunreal.com/showthread.php?t=146015
At least, I hope it works for Macs as well.