Rematch?

[lilalurl]

Is that really the case?
I don't have any certainty on the subject but I think parts of the para-match time is not counted in the Time part.

For instance, check the last page of stats, there is an example that seems to corroborate that (more than others that are less obvious)
Mon, Feb 13 2012 at 4:12:08 PM is the start time of a match on ONS-Alien2-T32-Beta8 which lasts 8.0
The next match (ONS-Tyrant-{KL}-BigAl-V2) is dated Mon, Feb 13 2012 at 4:21:43 PM

So that leaves more or less 1 minute and 40 seconds to acocunt for.
Given the number of players at that time, I don't think the server was left empty for a short time. Perhaps there was a server restart betweentimes but it would not have been at Tyrant match.


On the other hand Tue, Feb 14 2012 at 9:18:00 AM (ONS-Spiffingrad-T32-Crusha-Beta2) lasted 28.2 and the next match started Tue, Feb 14 2012 at 9:46:10 AM.
All I could suppose is that were was a quick start and quick voting (majority reach during the match?).

Any other opinion on the subject? That's quite an interesting question actually.

[VK!*]

I don't know exactly how much time it takes on Ceonns. On Tc's it was 1min start, already counting.
We had bad expieriences on TC with rematch on 8-10 minutes, many players leave, even on popular maps.
Do u remember, wait "2" more minutes and than finish it damnit! OMG this shiit map again! That sort of things we can miss, no?
With a rematch of 5 minutes there is enough to make a quick end for a rematch, and not to long to wait when they don't want a rematch.

[Corvus]

I Remember the discussion on Gunshop.
But in my memory i first side-hit you with a combo and then after that hit you with a single shock shot.

That was not me, u hit my teammate who was on ur left and if u remember I came from the right side. I am sure I had 163 hp because I checked it just before ur shot. I thought about more hit at the same time but I could not notice anything except ur shot. It happened on Tyrant as well but it was not so strange like this one and like I said the same thing happened to Timbo as well.

Why should there be a cheat which kills sb. with ONE normal shock hit, but can only be activated/spotted once a month? .
Too much talking about cheating. Today i was headshot on TAM with a LG, had 125 shield 125 health (standard), after the hit 60 health and no shield.

Who was talking about cheat? I wrote it is a bug. Do not be paranoid.

[Pegasus]

So I'm looking at the ut2004stats site's table for CEONSS' last 100 matches, same as lila thought to do and here's the entries by descending duration below 10mins.

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Mon, Mar 12 2012 at 5:28:57 AM 	Onslaught 	ONS-SlatedWorld-BigAl-SP1 	    	 2 	9.2
Mon, Mar 12 2012 at 10:15:14 PM   Onslaught 	ONS-Primeval-X2-T32-ZBeta4 	 	   3 	8.8
Sun, Mar 11 2012 at 4:27:41 PM 	Onslaught 	ONS-Stonewall-[TC]-VKedit2E[NV]  	29 	8.7
Sun, Mar 11 2012 at 4:12:54 PM 	Onslaught 	ONS-SEKTOR9-VENI-VIDI-VICI!-II-  	25 	7.0
Tue, Mar 13 2012 at 9:00:56 AM 	Onslaught 	ONS-SPAMBOX-Revisited 		     	11 	6.2
Sun, Mar 11 2012 at 4:21:41 PM 	Onslaught 	ONS-GritNights-ECE-T32-ZBeta6 		25 	4.0
Sun, Mar 11 2012 at 4:38:02 PM 	Onslaught 	ONS-THI-TripleSlap-SP1 		    	24 	3.3
Mon, Mar 12 2012 at 5:58:49 PM 	Onslaught 	ONS-SPAMBOX-Revisited 		     	25 	3.0
Sun, Mar 11 2012 at 2:26:40 PM 	Onslaught 	ONS-(RTS)-Kingdom_SE-BadWolf-V1a 	19 	2.9

Matches under/at 3mins: 2%
Matches under/at 5mins: 4%
Matches under/at 7mins: 6%
Matches under/at 10mins:9%

Going by Kenny's definition of the problem, we'd be trying to address an occurrence whose frequency is below reasonable statistical error margins. Same for matches that last less than 5mins. IMO that's not even worth calling it a "problem" to being with. If we're to look for a more suitable threshold duration point below which some "short round" provision should trigger, it should be nearer the 8-9min mark than the 5min mark.

Also, notice how SPAMBOX appears twice in there (and once more before that, but now it's been pushed to page 2). I've long supported dropping that bad joke of a map as it never really had anything to do with ONS, and I think this argument also supports my position: no SPAMBOX, much less of a chance for short, disappointing matches. Some other, small and resource frugal candidate could easily take its place as the "crash map" if that's an issue, and it'd likely be "more ONS" than the octagonal shaft of spam and boredom.

[VK!*]

Statistics without rematch enabled, count minus 1- 2 minutes than u have the real time.

The times will shorten very much when people know their is a rematch after 5 minutes.
For example, on Grendelkeep where quick ends are normal.
I try to stretch the map time by not destroying the core, or not healing the last node, but let it build automaticly.
So i give the losing team a chance, when the fun factor is high. Many other players do this.
Also team switching will be less, when a favorite map is up and when people know it will be to quick.
With the rematch, their is no reason to strech it.

10 minutes is to long, boring maps playing over again... No, please.
We had it before on TC, it went wrong...

[laboRHEinz]

So I'm looking at the ut2004stats site's table for CEONSS' last 100 matches, same as lila thought to do and here's the entries by descending duration below 10mins.

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Mon, Mar 12 2012 at 5:28:57 AM 	Onslaught 	ONS-SlatedWorld-BigAl-SP1 	    	 2 	9.2
Mon, Mar 12 2012 at 10:15:14 PM   Onslaught 	ONS-Primeval-X2-T32-ZBeta4 	 	   3 	8.8
Sun, Mar 11 2012 at 4:27:41 PM 	Onslaught 	ONS-Stonewall-[TC]-VKedit2E[NV]  	29 	8.7
Sun, Mar 11 2012 at 4:12:54 PM 	Onslaught 	ONS-SEKTOR9-VENI-VIDI-VICI!-II-  	25 	7.0
Tue, Mar 13 2012 at 9:00:56 AM 	Onslaught 	ONS-SPAMBOX-Revisited 		     	11 	6.2
Sun, Mar 11 2012 at 4:21:41 PM 	Onslaught 	ONS-GritNights-ECE-T32-ZBeta6 		25 	4.0
Sun, Mar 11 2012 at 4:38:02 PM 	Onslaught 	ONS-THI-TripleSlap-SP1 		    	24 	3.3
Mon, Mar 12 2012 at 5:58:49 PM 	Onslaught 	ONS-SPAMBOX-Revisited 		     	25 	3.0
Sun, Mar 11 2012 at 2:26:40 PM 	Onslaught 	ONS-(RTS)-Kingdom_SE-BadWolf-V1a 	19 	2.9

Matches under/at 3mins: 2%
Matches under/at 5mins: 4%
Matches under/at 7mins: 6%
Matches under/at 10mins:9%

Forgot to post it here, but the rematch option has been activated on Sunday evening, after there were 5 supporters within one day. I hope you're not counting in the matches since then.

Going by Kenny's definition of the problem, we'd be trying to address an occurrence whose frequency is below reasonable statistical error margins. Same for matches that last less than 5mins. IMO that's not even worth calling it a "problem" to being with. If we're to look for a more suitable threshold duration point below which some "short round" provision should trigger, it should be nearer the 8-9min mark than the 5min mark.

@ VK: with your 3 minutes opinion, you should have rather voted "no" ;-) There have also been big maps finished within extremely short time:
http://ut2004stats.epicgames.com/matchs ... h=57286793
http://ut2004stats.epicgames.com/matchs ... h=57287848
I'll observe the players behaviours very carefully. Activating the option / increasing / decreasing the repeat limit can be discussed and implemented very easily.

Also, notice how SPAMBOX appears twice in there (and once more before that, but now it's been pushed to page 2). I've long supported dropping that bad joke of a map as it never really had anything to do with ONS, and I think this argument also supports my position: no SPAMBOX, much less of a chance for short, disappointing matches. Some other, small and resource frugal candidate could easily take its place as the "crash map" if that's an issue, and it'd likely be "more ONS" than the octagonal shaft of spam and boredom.

Spambox is the shortest of all maps, that's the one and only reason for being the "crash map", indeed. Omni had BitchSlap (one of your fav maps IIRC ;-) ) and Aridoom. But both can be played easily into overtime. Spambox is much better because the following map will be on very shortly after that.

Who was talking about cheat? I wrote it is a bug. Do not be paranoid.

Dumdidum, was it me?

[Pegasus]

The Omnis have been using some old, unoptimized version of Aridoom as their crash map for months now (and it's come up plenty of times already, trust me); before that they had UP-Sandcrack, which is kinda sad because it really is a decent map IMO. I don't recall BitchSlap (which I do, in fact, enjoy as an indoors ONS map with some quirks and tactical variety, just not as much as TripleSlap and MasterBath tbh) ever having been a crash map there though. How far back are you talking about here?
Back on point, nobody there gets "lured" into playing Aridoom instead of voting the next map as soon as the roster's finished loading, however, so other than the false promise of ONS gameplay, I still don't see what all SPAMBOX offers to CEONSS :/.

I keep forgetting to mention that the huge column of smilies continues to be pretty distracting in the msg. board's reply page, not to mention layout-breaking. Thanks for adding the strikethrough text formatting though, I'll try not to rape abuse it too much.

[laboRHEinz]

I don't recall BitchSlap (which I do, in fact, enjoy as an indoors ONS map with some quirks and tactical variety, just not as much as TripleSlap and MasterBath tbh) ever having been a crash map there though. How far back are you talking about here?

LOL! Dunno, maybe 2,3 or even 4 years? At my age, one year more or less doesn't really count

Back on point, nobody there gets "lured" into playing Aridoom instead of voting the next map as soon as the roster's finished loading, however, so other than the false promise of ONS gameplay, I still don't see what all SPAMBOX offers to CEONSS :/.

It still is the fastest way to get to a map voted by the players, when the server crashes.

I keep forgetting to mention that the huge column of smilies continues to be pretty distracting in the msg. board's reply page, not to mention layout-breaking. Thanks for adding the strikethrough text formatting though, I'll try not to rape abuse it too much.

Ye, ye, ye ... Gotta clean it up. Maybe there's a way to sort 'em though. Not my biggest concern tbh, sorry :bounce:

[SpaceEngineer]

Minimum time to play for rematch should be reduced to 5-7 minutes...

[Pegasus]

[...]Ye, ye, ye ... Gotta clean it up. Maybe there's a way to sort 'em though. Not my biggest concern tbh, sorry :bounce:

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It's the best I can do without loading an external jQuery script, but I think it does the deed well enough, as far as my tests with FF have shown. Stick it in some existing <script> element in the posting.php file after the textbox and smilies div have been created first and it should work. If you got a recent FF version you can preview the code by bringing down the Web Console tool (Ctrl-Shift-K) in the reply page and entering that block of code as is in the prompt, btw.